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Ghost Omel · Aug 20, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Well he is Right Trial keys are to get to know the game and getting to know the game is possible you can figure out the gamplay of the game in the first hour of the game so what he sad is kinda true but then again not all aspects is true as well

gloria vander belt · Aug 20, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

lol, i love thes GW vs. WoW discussion's, well for the game to be better really depends on your opinion, People say Wow is better but i found after a few months of playing wow, i just cut down and down and now i dont even subscribe to it anymore, 3 months ago i had GW given to me(all 3 existing campaigns), and i have found the experience more worthwhile then wow, the problem with WoW is the subscription fee, and as a student u would preffer a less time consuming game so GW is also good for that aswell, but as a student who studies i wouldnt bother going for either if i were u, id buy a super nintendo and thrash odl RPG's on there, atleast u can still game and study at the same time, with out it being time cost effective.

peace

MSecorsky · Aug 20, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

I saw this video on You Tube by White Sword or something like that trying to compare the PvP of WoW with GW. His idea of PvP was running around the countryside looking for people to kill. The whole thought of finding someone a few level less than me with 'lesser' gear and killing them... it doesn't sit right. It's simply not my idea of a good time or good model, and this is purely my own opinion.

The funny part about this was how he never covered GWs PvP... he basically stated that because you can't run around and kill people that there is no PvP therefore WoW wins. As much as I initially dismissed his comments as biased stupidity I'd have to instead accept that that is his opinion and if that's what you like then no, GW isn't the game for you for PvP. It's just a pity that there was no in depth GW PvP coverage to really show what it's about.

Now, I've never played WoW and don't intend to, so I can't honestly say much about it aside from the limited exposure I get from this type of coverage. However, Eye of the North debuts in three and a half days. Spend the five bucks, get the pre-release, have a weekend and decide after that in my opinion. GW, to be, is the best game I've personally played to date and has great pluses:

1. Low level cap. At level 20, the level cap is irrelevant. Really, it's a training aid to work you up to max content and no more. It's also brilliantly implemented.
2. No PKing. When you're out in your instance you can focus on the environment, not some uber-leet jackarse coming along and ruining your fun and hard work.
3. The eight skills per build. I personally love it. You must THINK!
4. Assigned drops. No idea if WoW assigns drops, but I remember all to well the feeding frenzy that would ensue when Baal or Diablo was killed... no thank you.
5. The PvP environment. It's pure freakin' PvP in a multitude of settings, and you know you're equal to everyone else out there. Builds and skills win, not levels and gear. That, to me, is a HUGE plus.

There's more, but that's enough bandwidth for now. But for my opinion... try Eye of the North this weekend, then decide and enjoy your decision.

Ghost Omel · Aug 20, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I completely agree with up in everything and Yes i to saw That video what upsets me yes he didnt even show the pvp portion and he also forget Factions and Nightfall it might be that video was made before those 2 came out but if not then he forgot alot of things as previously stated i dont know if AB is pvp BUt it pretty much against other players and that was a big part of Factions Part of PvP if you ask me He should make another video comparing REAL PvP vs WoW PvPinside a PvE

captainccc · Aug 20, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I hate WoW. Im a pvp'er and WoW is just terrible in those aspects. Ok so I get to level 29 and I want to pvp, BOOM owned by a twink. Ok 39 will be better? BOOM owned by a twink.

Guild wars pvp is even. Its all about skill. Clicking the right skills at the right time, knowing what equipment to have on when, and knowing how to kite in which situations.

If you plan on pvp'ing in wow, plan on spending a year getting the money for the equipment first.

$0.02

Bryant Again · Aug 20, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

2. No PKing. When you're out in your instance you can focus on the environment, not some uber-leet jackarse coming along and ruining your fun and hard work.

In WoW, you have the option of choosing to play on a PvE server or a PvP server. On PvE servers, people can't run up to you and just kill you. On PvP servers, they can. And if you found out that you don't like the PvP server environment, then you have the option of transfering your character to a PvE server (can't go back, though).

MSecorsky · Aug 20, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

In WoW, you have the option of choosing to play on a PvE server or a PvP server. On PvE servers, people can't run up to you and just kill you. On PvP servers, they can. And if you found out that you don't like the PvP server environment, then you have the option of transfering your character to a PvE server (can't go back, though).

Well that's kind of a nice touch. However... is that it for PvP then? Do the PvE servers allow any form of PvP at all? Is there no way to get yourself "up to strength" and then go to a PvP server?

It still feels to me like a less ideal situation compared to GW.

Zinger314 · Aug 20, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Well that's kind of a nice touch. However... is that it for PvP then? Do the PvE servers allow any form of PvP at all? Is there no way to get yourself "up to strength" and then go to a PvP server?

It still feels to me like a less ideal situation compared to GW.

Nope. There are also World PvP Objectives, Battlegrounds, and Arenas, which are playable on all servers and are all optional.

World PvP Objectives: Capture a tower in certain areas, which gives your faction a +5% damage buff for a certain amount of time, among other things
Battlegrounds: Basically Alliance Battles, with less idiots and more balance. There's a Capture-the-Flag 10v10 BG, a Territory 15v15 BG (similar to AB), a massive 40v40 battle (albeit not as good as it used to be), and a territory/CTF 15v15 mix.
Arenas: The "professional" WoW PvP, where 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 groups compete. Arenas have received professional press and TV coverage.

World PvP is not fair, and is never used in serious discussions.

Ritual del Fuego · Aug 20, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

4. Assigned drops. No idea if WoW assigns drops, but I remember all to well the feeding frenzy that would ensue when Baal or Diablo was killed... no thank you.

You have loot options in WoW. Most of the groups I've been in have it setup where the drops are assigned in order. When an "uncommon" or better item drops tehre is a system generated roll that determines the winner of the item based on the need of the party.

MSecorsky · Aug 20, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Nope. There are also World PvP Objectives, Battlegrounds, and Arenas, which are playable on all servers and are all optional.

World PvP Objectives: Capture a tower in certain areas, which gives your faction a +5% damage buff for a certain amount of time, among other things
Battlegrounds: Basically Alliance Battles, with less idiots and more balance. There's a Capture-the-Flag 10v10 BG, a Territory 15v15 BG (similar to AB), a massive 40v40 battle (albeit not as good as it used to be), and a territory/CTF 15v15 mix.
Arenas: The "professional" WoW PvP, where 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 groups compete. Arenas have received professional press and TV coverage.

World PvP is not fair, and is never used in serious discussions.

Thanks Zinger, my knowledge has grown today.

"Professional" PvP? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like something you only do when you maxxed out your level and gear... probably not available from day 1. Not that that's a horrible thing, I imagine by the time someone gets there they should have a pretty good idea what they're doing. It's funny that the guy in the video was slamming GW PvP for it's arena format but never mentioned WoW has it too.

I appreciate the input.

I hear that they're going to be upping the level cap to 80... what kind of chaos will that throw into the PvP world I wonder? Any predictions?

Bryant Again · Aug 20, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Thanks Zinger, my knowledge has grown today.

"Professional" PvP? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like something you only do when you maxxed out your level and gear... probably not available from day 1. Not that that's a horrible thing, I imagine by the time someone gets there they should have a pretty good idea what they're doing. It's funny that the guy in the video was slamming GW PvP for it's arena format but never mentioned WoW has it too.

The Arenas in WoW are relatively new, actually. And while it is considered the most "professional" PvP in terms of balance and fairness and what not, it's also the quickest. It also has a ranking system, similar to GW GvG.

Also forgot to mention that playing in the Arena gives arena points, which can be used to purchase awesome weapons and armor (much like Honor points, which are earned from killing opposing faction players and by playing BGs). So if you start with mediocre gear you can earn your way up to a full set of epic arena gear.

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I hear that they're going to be upping the level cap to 80... what kind of chaos will that throw into the PvP world I wonder? Any predictions?

Probably as much mayhem as it would be adding new skills in Guild Wars, so not too bad. It also create more variety/oppurtunity in the talent trees.

Diablo™ · Aug 20, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

This thread needs to end now.

You can't expect an unbiased answer to WoW vs GW when you're posting in a GW Forum.

Besides, GW pwns WoW forever.

MSecorsky · Aug 20, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

This thread needs to end now.

You can't expect an unbiased answer to WoW vs GW when you're posting in a GW Forum.

Besides, GW pwns WoW forever.

Actually, this is one of the more civil 'vs' threads going in a while. Rather informative. I'd vote to leave it open... if I had a vote that is...

Flossie · Aug 20, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Actually, this is one of the more civil 'vs' threads going in a while. Rather informative. I'd vote to leave it open... if I had a vote that is...

I have to agree here, this thread seems to be relatively potlite and less flame-filled than previous attempts at the subject.

As a player of both games, I must say they both have their pros and cons. GW is superior for PvP, the balance is better and there are fewer rock/paper/scissors combinations.

But I play WoW for PvE, the storyline is great, there's more of a feeling of achievement when levelling and getting better loot. In GW, it's a quick grind to 20 and then polishing builds, WoW has a longer term interest there for me.

Neither is better than the other, it's totally subjective and decided by what you want from a game. I've found wonderful, friendly players in both and some complete asshats in both. I still continue to play both and don't see myself stopping either. I say play them both, play WoW past the L20 barrier to really get a feel for your class, play GW for it's great PvP, then decide which is for you.

Above all, enjoy whichever you choose!

Paloma Song · Aug 20, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by HardWonFame

People who say that you cannot compare these games have no idea what they are talking about.

You can compare them in the literal sense, the problem is that the process doesn't give a useful result because the games are so dramatically different, and appeal to very different playstyles. A corvette and a tank are both vehicles, and you can make a valiant attempt to compare them, but they're hardly an 'equal' comparison.

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

This thread needs to end now. You can't expect an unbiased answer to WoW vs GW when you're posting in a GW Forum. Besides, GW pwns WoW forever.

Did ya read the thread? It's actually very civil, barring a few posts. Besides, there's no reason to assume all bias is bad. He was asking for opinions (which are, by definition, biased) from people who play both games, not objective facts. He can look up objective facts on the company websites.

Phaern Majes · Aug 21, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Short and to the point... I always come back to GW :P

Redfeather1975 · Aug 21, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Short and to the point... I always come back to GW :P

I always go back to GW, WoW and EQ2. Problem is I don't play any game that much and always wait 2-3 months of not playing before cancelling my subs.
I have probably spent 100s of dollars in subscriptions for months I never logged in.

I just let my card expire last month and didn't even bother to go through the cancellation process this time. That's how lazy I am. lol
I think I have grown tired of the genre. I need an online RPG that is a survival horror or psychological thriller!

Anarkii · Aug 21, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Thanks Zinger, my knowledge has grown today.
I hear that they're going to be upping the level cap to 80... what kind of chaos will that throw into the PvP world I wonder? Any predictions?

Level cap will be 80 in the next expansion. All the serious pvp is at the level cap (60 in vanilla, 70 in Expansion 1, 80 in Expansion 2), so expect a month of low activity when players level up and farm honor to get their pvp sets and then it'll be back to normal again.

DreamRunner · Aug 21, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Flossie

But I play WoW for PvE, the storyline is great, there's more of a feeling of achievement when levelling and getting better loot.

What story line? WoW doesn't have one at all. Its all just quest X and go kill type monster X and come back for some reward. Or go into type dungeon X to get loot.

arcanemacabre · Aug 21, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

I need an online RPG that is a survival horror or psychological thriller!

This may be right up your alley: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161552.html

I heard about it a few years ago, and it seems like it's still in the works. The "World of Darkness" is probably the #1 LARP and tabletop horror RPG, and they are teaming up with CCP (creators of EvE - probably the best MMORPG out there). If that ain't a match made in heaven, I don't know what is.

This could be massive win or massive fail. Time will tell. I have to admit, I am quite excited thinking about it!